Life isn't any fun without a sense of enough. So the reality is that if you're constantly chasing, if you're constantly wanting more, you're not happy with what you have. Hello, and welcome to the Pibytes podcast, where we talk about python career and mindset. We're your hosts. I'm Julian Sequeira. And I am Bob Baldebozzle. If you're looking to improve your python, your career, and learn the mindset for success, this is the podcast for you. Let's get started. Welcome back, everybody. This is the Py Bytes podcast. This is Bob Baldeboz. I'm Herewood. Julian Sequeira. How's it going, man? Yeah, great. I'm just excited to be recording again. I think this will be 117. And I think this morning we just realized how many episodes we're in and how many people are listening, and it's just exciting to me how we can do this and how people get value from this. Thank you for listening. Compound. Compound effect. I love it. What do you mean with that, actually? What do you mean, Julian? Please tell me more. We've been recording one episode every week. I mean, we have our gaps here and there, but we poured two episodes and one to make up for it. Yeah. An average of one episode per week for over two years. And, man, I could never have imagined that. We're up to episode 117. Exactly. It's cool. But these small bits that you do over time, and then it starts to snowball. That's basically the compound. Yeah. If you tell us to record 117 episodes in two weeks, we'd have a heart attack. But you just almost didn't do it. Yeah, we almost fridged it, like, yeah, not good enough, but we did. Oh, nice. I like that. That was good. A good sort of segue into the topic for today, but. But not. Not intentional. But you didn't even mean it. It's only because you used the word enough. It's enough. Enough is enough. So, to kick this off, first, Bob wins. What? So I like how you created this open loop. Like, now everybody's wondering, like, what is this enough business? And then they go to the wins. You know, you can wait. You can wait till we share our wins. Yeah. A technical win, I think. Well, I'm sure of is regular expressions. Some label them as we have a regular expression. Now, we have two problems, but, no, they're super powerful. Right. And I had to deliver a code clinic on them. And, yeah, I took a very practical approach by doing, like, 15 exercises, and that went really well. With people because it's so practical, because you can give like a very long theoretical spiel explaining all the meta characters and that's like super boring. But doing it was kind of nice to see. Going back to our roots of exercises was really helpful. And then of course, shout out to the people, pdmers doing some excellent questioning. So it went all over the place. But it was, it was very cool. So got some nice feedback. Yeah, nice, man. Very cool insight into the experience in PDM. That's no joke. What do I do? No, I love it. Mine's actually a pie bytes win. But, you know, it was a great week. Last week was fantastic, full of energy. And I had so many different wins in our wins doc, this week that we filled out, actually you, ten minutes to read it. One of the big ones was, you know, the kids doing extremely well in school, had the parent teacher interviews and everything went well. So that was good. But I really wanted to share that. It took me by surprise a couple of weeks ago when I realized just how big the pie bytes team has gotten. So for all of you watching and listening, Bob and I, we do this stuff. We do what we do, we run the business, we make the content and so on and so forth. But we have so many people supporting us to the point where we realized we had about 14 people, including the two of us. So twelve outside of us supporting us in some way, shape or form on a regular basis. And so, yeah, it made me realize we actually have a team because we normally work with these people on. I'm a terrible leader. No, we actually, we work with these people in very different projects. Right. And different aspects. So we have the coaches, you know, we have things to do with recruiting, we have things to do with social media and so on, hard work and. Yeah, all these different aspects of piebites. Yeah. And we. I was like, wow, we need to get these people together. So last week, this is the win. We had our very first all pie bytes team meeting. And, you know, based on time zones, it was a bit rough. But, uh, with the exception of, I think, two people, I think two people, we had everyone on the call and it was mind blowing. It was the one of the best calls of my entire life. Uh, we had so much fun and everyone was just so energized. And since then, the energy within Pibytes has just been, uh, incredible. So, yeah, it's a. We work with some truly amazing people. So any of them that are listening, they should all be listening if they know what say, good for them. No, that's checked off on the podcast. They're doing the real rock. Yeah, they're doing the real. We're having fun on the podcast. They're doing the actual work. But you know, big shout out to the team. They're wonderful people. And what really blew my mind for everyone listening and watching again is just how many different walks of life that I know that one of the buzzwords these days is diversity. But man, I tell you, if you want to see a diverse team, look at this piece team. It was incredible seeing all the different countries we represent and live in and come from and amazing. So yeah, that's it. That's my rambling on that. So there's my win. There's our win. Yeah. Mind blowing is well stated. Yeah. And some amazing people. So we're very grateful. So the question then begs to differ is what? What's enough for us? How much is it? I think we're done. I think we're done. When is enough? Okay, you lead into the topic. I think we can also keep it pretty concise, this one. So where is this enough business coming from? Yeah. So this book, right, last week I held the mindset call for PDM and I was inspired by a topic from the psychology of money which I talked about as the book I was reading last week, the week before maybe. And this topic, it is financially based but I want you to, as you listen to what im about to say, think about this from your life perspective, not just financial. When theyre talking about finance and when its enough and isnt, when is enough enough? Were talking about how much money do you actually need to survive? How much do you actually need to be happy from a financial perspective. Now I want you to convert that question to your life in general, to job, career chasing, to friendships, to anything that you can apply that to really that you can think about. Where are those goalposts for you? And so I got everyone on the call really thinking about this stuff because we're almost, I'll use the word indoctrinated or trained or honed whatever through our lives to think that we need to climb that corporate ladder, right? And certainly when you go into a company, there are companies that will chase you if you haven't climbed that ladder or changed out of your role or promoted or whatever within x many years, right. Or in a certain amount of time, they'll be chasing you, hounding you. How come you're not doing more? How come you're not climbing that ladder? Right. So we are forced in a way to keep pushing and keep working to climb that corporate ladder from a job perspective. And one thing we never ask ourselves is where do we stop and when is enough enough? When is it too much and why do the goalposts keep moving? When are we actually going to kick the goal and, and be happy with the fact that we reached that goal? So that's where all this comes from, Bob. So I'm going to stop yapping you. What's on your mind? What do you think about that? Is it a moving target? It can be. So that's, that's a really interesting question. And it was something that was brought up by Reese on our call. So Reese, who's been on the podcast a couple of times now. Thank you. Shout out to Reese. Whats interesting is sometimes you might think to yourself, so if you do this exercise for yourself, if youre listening and you think, okay, enough for me from my career perspective might be to become a software developer, or it might be if youre already a software developer, think to yourself, I want to become a software development manager. Lets say you get that role and you think, good, thats enough, im done. Im happy. Im just going to work on this and do my best in this position, and thats happiness for me. Right. But those goalposts might move because you might realize once youre in that job that you actually hate it, that youre unhappy that it wasnt enough because your values have changed and you realize that actually what I do day to day, thats not enough now to keep me happy. That was enough to earn me paycheck and give me the reputation and all that sort of stuff that I wanted, but it wasn't enough to, to fulfill me from a soul values perspective and how I feel about what I do every day. So this is a very tough thing to, uh, to find the balance on, right. At some point, you know, you probably realize, okay, it's mostly enough what I'm doing every day, um, maybe a couple of things lacking here and there, such as flexibility to reach to your happiness, whatever it might be. Uh, but it's something to keep at the back of your mind every day. So there's a couple of quotes I want to quote now from the book. Do you mind? No, go ahead. No? Okay. I'm all ears. So, um, and this, this one definitely feels like it, um, has a bit more to do with money. But just consider this, there is no reason to risk what you have and need for what you don't have and what you don't need. So obviously, if you talk about money it's talking about risking your current financial safety, whatever situation you're in, to go for extra money that you don't actually need, money that you don't have. So when it comes to your job, think about that. If you're happy and you're actually the work that you do every day and it provides you with what you need and you're happy with that, um, there's no need to risk everything, uh, for something that you don't actually have and don't need. Such as a title. Right. Uh, is a title actually going to make your life any happier? As an example? Right. Um, and this leads on to the next one, which is, life isn't any fun without a sense of enough. So the reality is that if you're constantly chasing, if you're constantly wanting more, you're not happy with what you have, with the. With the status quo. You know, it's. It's a simplistic concept that we talked about with our kids. Be happy with what you have, mate. You know, stop asking for more games. Just be happy with the stuff that you have. But we as adults, tend to forget that advice that we so easily throw at our kids, for example, when it comes to things like the job and certainly finance. So those two were two of my favorite quotes that I actually highlighted in on the Kindle when I was reading it. But, yeah, it comes down to a few things, you know, to help you prevent this sort of feeling of, I don't have enough. You know, don't compare yourself to others. You know, do that. Write down what I find is really helpful. When I did this exercise was write down those things. They like your goals. What are the things that mean you have enough? And, you know, quite honestly, I was like, okay, what does enough for me look like? And it very much looks like what I have right now. So. Which was a really nice feeling to have. So, you know, remember, those goalposts don't have to keep moving as often as other people make you think. There's nothing wrong with staying in a company or a role that you actually truly enjoy for ten years, you know, there's nothing wrong. Is that where the saying keep up with the Jonas's comes from? Yes. Yeah, yeah. That social pressure that you end up doing it more for the. For the status or the external factors. I like what you say, like writing it down, going back to the internal factors, and then actually realizing, hey, I don't need that much. Right. And that then. Yeah. So it's a lot of awareness, I guess. Yeah. And not something that people think about or that we think about. You know, like, I was inspired by reading this book. If I hadn't read the book, I wouldn't have thought about this stuff, right. I see it a lot in the fitness industry as well. Right. Like, because we're kind of fitness nerds. So inevitably watch some know a bit of bodybuilding stuff on YouTube and, you know, a lot of these guys kind of become to resent that aggressiveness in their goals, right? Of all the always gaining, always becoming leaner and they end up like burned out. Like what is it really for? Like, I'm already in a very good shape, I'm healthy. Why can't I just ignore, not ignore? Why can't I just enjoy that? But I mean, it's similar with the developer journey. You can constantly have higher goals but also look back and I think the wins fall and the successful comes in there as well to really stop and look at what you did achieve and just to be genuinely happy about that. Yeah, exactly. Right. And if you feel yourself being pulled in that direction of, I guess I won't say greed because that's a very financial term I'm thinking of here. But you know what I'm talking about. If you get pulled towards the stuff that you don't necessarily need, but, and you don't have it, try and catch yourself, try and stop yourself and take that. It's like before you buy something, they say leave it for two weeks and think about how you felt without it for those two weeks. If you're fine, you don't need it. Right? So same sort of thing. Give yourself that space. Yeah, give yourself that space to make the decision and really think about it and, yeah, there's my rant for the week. One challenge can just put you on the spot. How does that rhyme with our always, like, what's next, what's next, what's next? Which we always ask, well, that's the thing, right? What enough looks like for you from that job perspective is kind of irrelevant to the what's next? Because it's, we're talking about something that you kind of don't have, right? Like a job, like, like the title or an extra$10 million or something like that. When we talk about what net, what's next, we're talking about what goal is next. So what are you trying to learn? It's not that the goal posts get further away, like with the career. It's like what actually means something to you that you want to spend your time on. I think everyone should have something that they want to sink their teeth into. And what's next for me is picking up the guitar again, which I picked up a couple of weeks ago, and I've been loving it. So my. What's next has nothing to do with a career or whatever. It has everything to do with just doing something that I love spending my time with. Could be, you know, learning a new skill other than that. So if you're in the python scene, it could be learning how AI works and you know, to what end. Of course, you have to decide if that's something for you, but for most people, it'd just be, well, I just want to be across it. I just want to be. I'm interested in it, and I just want to learn more about it. That's a definite. What's next? It's worth your time. Right. But if you're talking about, I'm going to go become the director of this company, and I'm going to work 50, 60, 70 hours weeks to get there, is that really worth it? So there you go. Yeah. Great. Did that help? Yeah. Nice. It's funny you mentioned that. I found a comic online the other day. I don't know. I wish I could share it on the podcast and the YouTube channel somehow. Maybe a link, but it's just a guy who's at the gym who says his muscles are huge, and the jacked guy next to him, like, oh, my friend, this is a lifelong journey. You met many years to come. He goes, no, I think I'm good with this. I'm done. And he walks off. And then the Jack guy sitting there watching the sunset going, what do you mean? Enough? What the link is now? Yeah, hang on. My phone. I got to find a way to put on this. But anyway, all right, so thank you, everyone, for listening. As we wrap it up, we'll jump into books quickly. Bob, you go, what's happening? Well, more jet learning. Right. Just in time. So today I read a little bit of regular expression theory because I'm delivering part two today. But other than I'm still hooked to the fiction, specifically Dostoevsky, fittest, crime, and punishment, and I'm embarking on the idiot. So, the classics. The classics. Every time you say that book name to me in conversation, I think, who? You call it an idiot. I like calling an idiot. It's the title of the book. Nice. I love that you're reading those books. It blows me away. Super classics. Definitely heavy. So definitely classics. Definitely a bit heavy, but a lot of psychology, a lot of. Yeah, to learn about split personalities, deeper meaning that makes you think. Not a light read, because, you know, he's very good in going very deep in his. In his characters, and then he offsets those characters. Right. So they symbolize different streams or different, you know, characters in life as well. And, yeah, it makes you think about, would I have a little bit of this personality or would I have something of. So, yeah, to me, it's fascinating. If you're into philosophy, psychology, you all, you will appreciate that. I love that you read fiction for very non fiction, non fictional reading. Toys. I'm going to have to. Again, we have to send Bob a whole bunch of fiction books that I will still read June at some point. Yeah, perfect. Or the Hobbit or, you know, something. I didn't say that. Nice. Okay, what am I reading? Hang on. Oh, yeah. I finished, surprisingly, I was just reading, and then I was like, oh, it's the end of the book. On the weekend, I finished book three in the Wizard a Wizard of Earthsea series. And so I started book four called Tahanu, something like that. I don't think I've ever read this one. I think I might have read up to the end of book three when I was younger, so, yeah. Exciting. Oh, you're going back to stuff you read in the past. I must have read these in, like, grade seven. I remember bits and pieces, but nowhere near as much like I've forgotten it all. So it's really cool. It's like reading it brand new again. And certainly book four is, I've never read. So, yeah, it's really cool to read stuff again after so many years because you come back to the work with a different personality. Right. So you have to read it differently because you have now how many years of experience accumulated, and it's. You'll see it with different eyes, so. Well, it's also interesting that they even had us read these in, like, grade seven because I'm thinking about my kids. I'm going, you don't. You wouldn't get half of this stuff, you know. Yeah. And so I probably didn't absorb any of it when I was that young. Just this wizard. You can. Yeah, yeah. Like. Like 1984. Brave new world. Like these. These classics. Right? Would this really be appropriate for 1516 years? Maybe? I mean, they're readable, but would you really get the deeper meaning? Yeah, agree. Then they keep reading for people, right. They start to hate reading because it was all so difficult. Yeah. Well, that's it. But then, you know, on the flip side, I see them reading books like Diary of a wimpy kid. And I'm like, oh, gosh, read anything with. I don't mean to bag those books out, but I read those books. I'm like, they look like a novel, but there's like ten words per page with all the comic strips in them. I'm like, geez Louise. I'm going to find at least my eldest. He's currently working his way through Harry Potter for the, like, the fifth time, so that's pretty good, but nice. So, everyone, this is exactly what conversations like for Bob and I. We were just, well, I forgot we were recording a podcast right now. Yeah, like non recording, right? Oh, we are funny. Enough part of this. This talk is just on the podcast because we're so busy, so. Yeah, exactly. We're just hanging out now. But we love books and people that listen to our podcast. I think a large percentage also loves books, so. And share with us as well. Like, if you go to the Pibytes slack, there's a books channel up in there. Share what you're reading. Yep. And if you put your reading list on piebitesbooks.com, we'll have you even more. That's another way you can share. Yeah, yeah. Love it. Okay, we're good, we're good. What's coming next week? Do we know? Oh, I have an interview with a awesome person friend of mine that I'm very excited to interview. So I might do that either later this week or early next week. And that'll be it. It's going to be good. Very, very exciting. Is that the mindset coach we also getting or not? Uh, no. Okay. No, not yet. Somebody, uh. Or mindset. So, uh, yeah, we'll giving away too much shush. So we'll talk. Yeah, some good stuff coming. Good stuff's coming. My. Don't worry about that. All right, uh, everyone, thank you for listening. As always. We appreciate the support and tuning in every week. You are awesome. And we'll be back next week. Yep. Thanks for listening, watching. Keep the feedback coming, and yeah, to another 100 episodes. Beautiful. See you, Brian. Bye bye. We hope you enjoyed this episode. To hear more from us, go to Pibyte friends. That is Pibit es friends and receive a free gift just for being a friend of the show and to join our thriving slack community of Python programmers, go to Pibytes community. That's pibit es forward slash community. We hope to see you there and catch you in the next episode.