Hello and welcome to the Pibytes podcast, where we talk about python career and mindset. We're your hosts. I'm Julian Sequeira. And I am Bob Baldebos. If you're looking to improve your python, your career, and learn the mindset for success, this is the podcast for you. Let's get started. Welcome back, everybody. This is Bob Baldebos here with Julian Sekira on the Pie Bytes podcast. I never said your name right. I want to have that recording. Did I say it? Well, thank you. You said it fine. It's perfect. Thank you. Portuguese. Hey, man. Hey, man. It's. How you doing? It's good. It's good to be back. I'm good. Are we taping? We are recording. It's been, um. How long has it been? Uh, two years. Like it. You had a bit of a sickness situation, then you went for not a honeymoon, but. Honeymoon kind of lengthy trip. Yeah. Went for a month, about four to five weeks. Yeah. I think I've been offline for. For almost five weeks. It's a ridiculous amount of time, but. Crazy, man. Well, you survived. You're here. Welcome back. Yes. I can't believe how long it's been since I recorded an episode with you. It's good to. It's surreal, but it's also good to be back. Yeah. Amazing guests, but, yeah, I think it has been four or five episodes at the least. We have another recorded together. Wow. Feels weird. Yeah. Can't let that happen again. Well, I mean, this is for a good reason, but still, maybe I want to reintroduce yourself to our audience. Audience, this is Julian Sakura. I'm Julian, co founder of Five Ice. I think that that'll do. That'll do. All right, let's. We got. We're going to keep this kind of quick. We got a couple of things to talk about. I've. I'm going to bring up. I'm going to dominate this one because Bob's had the microphone for the past month and a bit, but, uh, we'll see about that. But, yeah, we'll see. All right, quick wins. What did. What's your win for this week? Um, I picked up language learning slash French, and I just had my second, uh, italki class with my teacher, Bryce, and went well. So, um, really cool. Deliberate practice. Just speak it, make mistakes. It's a very similar tool, coding. So we have an article. We can link an article. We have to have an episode about this, I think. I think, yeah, we rather do an episode on this. Yeah, we should nice. And it's pretty conversational, right? The way that you're learning. Yeah, you can take very grammar like classes, but that's boring. But this is just conversation and just messing up. Trying to speak. And corrected, you know, as highly effective. That's how I learned Spanish as well. And it really works. And it's the same with coding. Right. You have to code, make mistakes. So like coaching. Coaching, perhaps. Yeah. Similar to our approach. Right. Yeah. What about you? My, my win is. Is what I'm going to talk about this episode. So it's a nice. Excuse me. Nice segue. Uh, I had the five weeks off, aside from being sick, I should say, uh, four weeks then. Uh, but I was very lucky. I was able to take a month off to go to Canada with my wife and kids and visit, uh, her family because she's from Canada. And, uh, we spent a full month there. We got to hang out with, um, her family. We got to see my cousin, meet my godson for the first time. All sorts of cool things, and it's just one massive win. Um, but there is just a quick thing, Bob. Before we jump into some of the lessons learned from this trip, I actually want to give a quick shout out to three people. So first and foremost, I would shout out to my, my cousin Sabrina, who will be listening, and my brother in law Scott will also be listening to this because both of them, as soon as they found out I had a podcast, like, pulled out their phones and quickly subscribed to the podcast. So they'll get a shout out. But also a shout out to you, man, because. And I have a special maple canadian maple drink that may or may not be alcoholic. Can't confirm or deny it to say cheers to you because I could not have had such a relaxing time away if it wasn't for you. So just everyone give me 1 second. Humor me while I sip this beverage of unknown origin. People tune into YouTube. YouTube. You can actually see this. It for some reason it's quite warm in the chest as I drink it. But anyway, so, yeah, if it wasn't for you, man, I wouldn't be have been able to switch off 100%. You know, as you can imagine, everyone, you know, it's easy to leave the work laptop at home, right? You just leave it home. You switch off, you disappear. But when you have you, your own child of a business and you run your own company, you kind of, you bring that laptop with you and you don't want to completely switch off. No part of me wanted to in that respect. But because of this man who completely handled everything. So I didn't have to touch a thing. I was able to really switch off and, excuse me, that stuff really. But as a. As a result, there were some lessons learned from this. Do you mind if I jump in, bob? Yeah, man, you take it. And my pleasure, by the way, tearing up here. All good, man. All good. And that's what we do. Also shout out to the team. They were doing a lot of things as well, so on their turn. Made my life easier as well. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, it was nice coming back and seeing that everything was still happening right. People were still being coached, the CV reviews are happening, and LinkedIn reviews and all sorts of things still plugging away. So it was really nice to see the gears still turning, even if I disappear for a little bit. So that's nice. But, yeah, as I dive into this, I think the biggest thing I wanted to share with everyone and just remind everyone is that it's very easy not to take a holiday. It's very easy not to switch off. And that was a trap I fell into. So I haven't had a proper holiday like this where I've been able to switch off and disappear for. And it has to be for at least a week. Right. It's not good enough to just go somewhere for four days, for a long weekend. Uh, it's not enough. That might be enough to just avoid burnout or decompress a little bit, but to really get the benefit of it has to be longer than a week. I'd say two weeks at a minimum, if you can manage it. So I was very fortunate to take the four weeks and, you know, not having any distractions from work or pie bites in the form of having to be switched on, it just allowed me to free up my mind and I. So many different realizations came from that, which I don't think I would have had with that level of clarity if I hadn't switched off. So my encouragement for everyone is disappear, do what you can. Because for me, it had been ten years, a whole decade since I took a trip like this and really allowed myself to switch off and disappear. Funnily enough, it was to the same place. It was still to Canada. And for those of you wondering, by the way, we went to, we were on the eastern side of Canada in Ontario. That's where we went for the most, the majority of the trip. But Bob, what I wanted to really talk about and share about this was there were things I thought about a lot on this trip and, like I said there was clarity of purpose as a result. So, you know, I think it's pretty obvious what I'm going to say here, but Piebites was at the top of mind. You know, I thought about it a lot. I thought about you a lot. Matt. No, I'm kidding. I didn't think about you much. I'm lying. There were audio messages from going back and forth still from you waiting for messages from me. But with Pyewites there as top of mind, it really showed me that that's my goal, that's where I want to be. That's the be all and end all for me. And if it wasn't there, if it wasn't top of mind, I actually think I'd be sitting there thinking to myself, what am I doing or whats next for us? What are we going to work on next? But because I was sitting there thinking about the business, it was nice to have that comforting realization that hey, this is what I want to do. I want everyone to really think about that. If you can take that time away for two weeks and disappear and relax and enjoy yourself and really disconnect from the work itself, you'll find yourself doing some self reflection on, well, what, what doesn't mean a lot to you, right. So the things that gave me energy on this trip to get through 30 days in the different time zone, different country where they drive on the wrong side of the road. Right side of the road. Yeah, the. Yeah, right. Wrong side of the road. I don't know what you're talking about, buddy, was aside from things, you know, the things that I hold dear to me, like family time, right. Spending time with the family, those things always gave me energy. But thinking about pie bites and being able to do planning for us and think of ideas and new courses and new things to develop for the two of us really filled me with energy, you know, we were sitting on the train from Ottawa to Quebec, six hour train ride, something like that. And I pulled out the laptop and just started writing, you know, and I had no issue with that. I was finished this, everyone's like, geez, what were you writing a book? And I was just writing. My mind was just going a million miles an hour because I was in this diffused state of just being able to separate myself from the work. So I wasn't, it was all planning thoughts, it was all business ideas, it was all growth things not actual in the work stuff like writing emails. So yeah, when you get these switch off moments for a long period of time, you'll find that your mind just takes you different places and you're able to really think big because you're not in the work. So you can work on the business as a whole or whatever it is that your goals are. Yeah. And I think in your case, it's the business. Right. But I think to drive it home for the audience, replace business with career. Right. Like, if you're only tied up in a job, then you're not thinking about your career long term. Right. So if you step back, it's also like one step back to go two, three steps forward. Right. Like you might just be doing something that's not valuable or not giving you that fulfillment. Right. So, yeah, you say business, I would say for people, career. Right. Like, yeah, what's in it for your long term, longer term career? Well, I think a lot of you listening take that second and you may not like what you see. Take those two weeks, because if you disappear from your day job and at the end of your two week holiday or one month holiday, you realize I haven't thought about it once. Not a single part of what I do every day at that company or whatever fills me with joy or energy. Not a single. I don't want to go back to it. No single part of me wants to go back to it on a Monday. If that's the case, you're in the wrong job. You're doing the wrong thing with your time. And it's a, it's a harsh truth. Right. And probably more people than, more people are going to find themselves in that situation than not. So it's, it's a bitter pill to swallow sometimes, but it might be time for a change. And that's also exciting in itself. So give yourself that break. If you can think about what's coming up. I think in North America we got, what, Thanksgiving coming up in two, three months, something like that. So, you know, maybe that's the time to take it disappear, take a whole extra two weeks on top of it and do some self reflection, things you enjoy. Yeah. It has to be at least one week, right, for this to kick in. Just a week, I would say at least two weeks, right. One week is barely enough to disconnect from the job. Yeah. And the stuff that you do. Two weeks, you know, I found myself on a boat, I found myself kayaking on a lake, you know, not even thinking about. I was a million miles away, you know? So, yeah, I reckon two weeks to really get to this point, right? So you said about a million miles an hour, ideas, things to build any hints on what's to come? Nope. So. Okay, so the course. There's a course bob and I are building. And you know, we don't build courses lightly. Right. So these things are. We don't want people jumping into imposter syndrome. But the idea here is we're building something that's going to be quick, digestible, but on a huge topic, something that's really going to help people. And we're very excited. We're going to start building that this week. So we've. I wrote down the curriculum for it on a. On the plane. As soon as I got off the plate, I pasted into WhatsApp for you. So machine. Yeah, yeah. We're going to review that, extended out, expand it, whatever we have to do to that curriculum over the next two days and then start building on Friday and hopefully have that done in a week. Set ourselves a bit of a deadline. Yep. Also very exciting. So that's going to be good. And then obviously I was thinking about the veteran program that I'm kicking off as well. If you are, if that piques your curiosity, definitely send me an email, Julian at pybytes or info ibytes and we can chat about it. But that's something I'm very passionate about and excited about. More coaching and more coaching. Yes. More different kinds of coaching coming up as well. The last thing I just wanted to say is that what's nice about disconnecting like that is that you don't have to operate to any deadlines. If you're really on holiday, there are no deadlines and other than, you know, the holiday ending. So definitely take that break, allow yourself to do things that just take as much time as they take, you know, and yeah, relax that way. I think that's a very important one. So quickly, Bob, I was just going to say my favorite part of the trip. It was. I honestly, I don't know. There were so many awesome things that we did. Like we went to Quebec City, we um. I did lots of driving. I was able to drive almost a thousand kilometers on the incorrect side of the road, which is their correct side of the road. I, you know, went to my sister in law's wedding. I met. Met up with my cousin for the first time in 14 years. Just all sorts of amazing things. So I don't know. I think my favorite thing was the people just meeting all these family members, spending quality time with them. Probably the most exciting thing I did was I mc'd the wedding. So I got to. I was the guy standing at the front talking to a whole room of strangers. I only knew about one quarter of the people in the room, but I successfully emceed the wedding. Got great feedback, got a bunch of laughs. It was perfect timing that Australia beat Canada in the women's FIFA World Cup a couple of days before the wedding. So I got to drive that point home a little bit. Got a lot of booze and cheers for that one, but, yeah, it was good. The trip overall was fantastic, and I'd say that was one of the highlights. Awesome, man. Happy to hear. Thanks for sharing. Yeah, no worries. And thanks, everyone, for listening. It's just a. I was just, I'm so energized coming back from this trip. So lots of stuff coming. We have lots of energy coming in the next few podcast episodes as well, ideas and products and different things for all of you listening. So we're very, very, very excited. We've been exchanging WhatsApp messages since Thursday. Like two excited school kids, which is a good sign. Well, I'm not sure if kids are too excited this time of the year to go back to school in another industry, so. Oh, yeah, that's rough. That's rough. But yeah. Oh, and speaking of travel, I might be going down to visit Bob in two months. Yep. Touring through Spain. Yeah, tour through Spain and maybe another country that shall not be named yet, but that's going to be exciting if we do that. You're not going to hear from us. You're going to hear from us on the road. Yeah, we'll be on the road. Probably get some special YouTube videos happening, maybe podcasts recorded from our phones on the beach somewhere. Who knows? But we're going to have force Julian to speak Spanish. Yeah, that. That is not happening. That is happening. I bet he's. Oh, that's strong. I bet he's going to record it. He's going to take some videos of me trying to speak Spanish, asking for something. Definitely. Guarantee it. All right, so that's enough of me rambling and yapping. Tell me, what are you reading at the moment before we wrap it up? Um, deep work again. Um, because I'm reorganizing my schedule. Um, I finished Siddhartha, which is a great novel by Harry. Oh, right. That's it for now. Yeah, you. You got me on the fiction, though. I'm. You read some of the best stuff. Um, so I'm reading a book that you, thanks to you, because you pointed out the Tim Ferriss podcast episode with Seth Godin a couple of weeks ago, and I listened to it. Instantly blown away. Seth. Yeah. Yeah. He helped curate a book called the Carbon Almanac, and it's all about climate change and the effects of carbon dioxide, greenhouse gases, all that sort of stuff. Yeah, climate change stuff and what we can do and what I've really enjoyed about it. So I'm. I bought it while I was in Canada, and this thing's a Tome, weighs a ton. And I was like, oh, God, I got to carry this back in my suitcase. So I put it in my. In my backpack instead with my laptop. But the thing that. That I love about it is it debunks a lot of myths that I hear a lot of from a lot of people. So I'm obviously, um, very passionate about this topic, but also, it fills you with hope, you know, even though it is a dire situation, gives you a lot of tips on what you can realistically do as an individual and that you actually have more ability than you think to make some change in this space. So I'm very excited about what is going to come from this book from just in my personal hemisphere. Does it also address wood cutting? What do you. What do you mean? Because I thought I was going to. I ordered it, but I was going to get some small booklet. There's a lot of paper, and I am hoping. I am hoping this thing was made with recycled paper. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it was bigger than I expected. Yeah. Yeah, I know. When I saw it in the shop, I was like, oh, this thing is like, well, just knock my microphone. This thing is about this big. Like, it's huge. So, yeah, hopefully it does talk about a recycled paper in the book and how much less energy it takes, all that stuff. So I thought, oh, hopefully you'd hope so. The Irish. Yeah, I would ask you about a couple of takeaways, but, yeah, maybe it's nice to do a dedicated one to that. Yeah, we could do that. It's just a fun podcast episode, non python related, just an overview of what we learned because we care about it, and that's something we're passionate about. So that's what we. Another one I want to do is stoicism. Yeah, that's right. Based on your amazing stoicism or stoic mindset call. So there you go, everyone. Bob covered for me. The mindset calls in the PDM program here. Yeah, same with Hugh tipping, one of our coaches. So thank you both for your support. So I could. Didn't have to sign in at, like, you know, some random time to take those calls, but, yeah, your stoic stoicism episode or call was awesome. So we'll definitely. It can really help us developers. Right? So I think we should distill some of the lessons. Yeah, for sure. Without a doubt. All right, cool. That's it. Well, everyone, and Bob, thank you, everyone. Thank you for letting me just talk about this trip a bit and my lessons learned from that. We'll be back to our regular programming next week, although we might have a bonus episode where I just talk about my observations of Canada, where you might, or you might, I might just put that straight on YouTube. It won't, maybe won't make it on the podcast. Maybe we just put on the channel on YouTube. It's a bit tongue in cheek. Put it on YouTube, mate. Yeah, put on YouTube. 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