Pybites Podcast

#174 - Mastering Productivity: How Tanner Martin Takes Control of His Time

Julian Sequeira & Bob Belderbos

Welcome back to the Pybites Podcast! This week, Julian talks with Tanner Martin, a Python developer and valued graduate and community member of our Pybites Developer Mindset (PDM) program.

In this episode, Tanner shares insights on productivity, mindset, and personal growth.

He reflects on his journey to transform his productivity approach, reduce anxiety through weekly planning, and embrace self-kindness.

Tanner and Julian also dive into strategies for setting priorities, managing time, balancing personal and professional life, and share book recommendations.

Plus, hear about Tanner's current project with his coach Robin in the PDM program.

Whether you’re a developer or simply looking for ways to improve your time management, this episode offers practical tips for achieving more with less stress.

Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:15 Meet Tanner
03:06 Wins of the week
05:08 Tanner's productivity before PDM
08:18 Applying Pybites productivity course lessons
11:18 How to manage productivity in a corporate environment
13:40 How do you manage priorities?
16:16 What about sound habits?
18:20 PDM coaching ad segment
18:50 Planning, tracking and managing distractions
23:20 Impact for Tanner of increased productivity
26:30 What are you building in PDM?
29:08 Rapid fire productivity tips
32:13 Book tips
35:20 Reach out to Tanner
36:15 Wrap + outro

Book tip:
- Extreme Ownership

Reach out to Tanner:
- On Circle
- On LinkedIn

Do you want to seriously upskill in Python and as a developer? Check out our PDM program

Really just taking the time to take the extra time out of your day to plan. Yeah, that's benefited me among multiple areas. Planning out your personal life, maybe your weekend, or planning out the project that you're building. I love that part. As far as building mind maps, you know, Orlando, how a project from start to finish in the meeting, planning it out with the end user. Hello, and welcome to the Pibytes podcast, where we talk about Python career and mindset. We're your hosts. I'm Julian Sequeira. And I am Bob Baldebos. If you're looking to improve your python, your career, and learn the mindset for success, this is the podcast for you. Let's get started. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Piewhites podcast. This is Julian. I'm here with this very special guest today, Tanner. Martin Tanner, welcome to the podcast. Thank you. I'm happy to be here. Good. You look happy to be here, everyone. So, Tanner, just a quick background on why he's here on the podcast. Other than he's an awesome bloke, Tanner is one of the people that's currently going through our PDM program. And for those of you thinking, oh, geez, not another plug for the program, tough luck, because that's what we do. But also, more importantly, Tanner has some really cool tips on productivity, on mindset, and just this whole perspective shift that he went through when he joined PDM that I really wanted to highlight because I think, regardless of coaching, of PI bytes, of Python, of all that stuff, these insights will really help from a day to day basis, especially with everything going on in the world. So, before we start, Tana, do you want to just give a quick introduction of who you are, what you want to share with everyone listening and watching, and go for it? Sure. Thanks. I am currently a software developer, and I do various automations for the company that I work at. Building back end, front end, kind of full stack development all by myself with very little oversight. The dream. Yes. That's awesome. And as I found out the other day, you also teach mentor people at work, that sort of thing? Yes, I try to teach people as much as humanly possible. I don't get that opportunity. But as soon as I find somebody who wants to latch on or learn more, I do whatever I can to help them along or at least give them some resources, somebody they can reach out to. Cool, man. And, you know, as we always say, when you teach, it helps you solidify your learning. So that's a double whammy. I like it. So, all right, so look, we'll jump. Jump straight into what we're going to talk about today, but actually just quick, and I'll put you on the spot for this. Do you have any wins you want to share? Yes, the wins. This week we're learning how to deploy a infrastructure as code application with Pulumi on Amazon web. Cool, man. That's cool. Very nice. Okay, so rather than dive into that, which I'm sure there are people who are interested, you should write about it on LinkedIn if it's not confidential or something like that, or write a post in our community about it, and then that way, people listening to this will join the community. Do it. You need to join. Yeah, I'd love to hear more about it, but not right now. Okay, we got a point. We got to talk about this productivity stuff. It's more important. My quick win, which I'll share very, very quickly, is, is that we've been beta testing our new coding platform. So for everyone who's listening in the community, whatever you might have heard and seen that we are launching our new coding platform, a replacement for our existing codechallenge es platform. And that's coming very soon. And Bob and I have been beta testing that this week, and I've been writing a whole test suite, not pytest, but I actual checklist tests for beta testers to go through. So that's my win. That. That is coming very soon. I reckon. Give it another week. At this point, things are going really well, so I'm excited. And you're going to be involved with that, Tanner, you don't have a choice. So I'm excited. I already, like, kind of messing with it, so. Yeah. Yeah. Well, now I want the data of the checklist, so get ready for that. Um, okay, so let's. Let's dive in productivity wise, why don't we start with where you were with your mindset and productivity when you first came to PDM, and then you talk us through the changes that happened. Go for it. I'm going to stop talking now. Where I was at the moment was not tracking anything. I thought I had everything sort of under control, everything in my head as far as what I was working on, what I needed to do. You just. You run into issues along the way that I learned through a productivity course that you've assigned to me that you and Julian did or you and Bob did. And how do you know the goals that you're. How do you know that you're reaching your goals? How do you know that you're taking steps to reach your goals. And I was having issues keeping track of everything in my head and knowing what I was supposed to be working on next, even though I thought I knew. But when you get that on pen and paper or in a spreadsheet or you formulate some way of tracking that information, you can knock way more out in a day than. Yeah. Than just not keeping track of any of it. So what was the. Just listening to that? So, you know, as everyone knows on the podcast, this is very casual and non scripted. Right? So based on what you were saying, what was the catalyst to make you realize that? Because prior to joining us and stuff, if you said, you know, you just ran casually and thought you had a hold of everything in your head, what made you realize that, you know, it was. That wasn't the case. I just. I found myself lost. I found myself. Okay, I've been doing this for so long. You know, where is this taking me? Where do I. Where do I stand amongst other developers? I had. I hadn't been working with any other developers, so I just had no idea where I was, my career, or in my skill set or. I didn't have. I just noticed that I didn't. I wasn't working in the optimal trajectory. It's a nice call out from that. It's like the value of finding community and networking in whatever your space is. Right. Because there are plenty of people who listen to this that aren't developers and don't have any intention of being developers. So I think it kind of highlights that it doesn't matter what your career path is, whatever your role is or your interest, if you do it in a silo, you kind of don't see. You don't see the gaps it takes working with people in that same field. And that's why it's so important to network and connect with people doing the same thing as you. So you can kind of see, okay, wait, I am missing this, or there is a gap there. So that's really cool. And so when you did the productivity course, you learned a bunch of what tips that highlighted where these gaps were. Yeah, I got to break it down from a three year perspective of where I want to be to a one year perspective to a six month perspective. And all the way down. You could break it down as much as you want to, but now, you know, Sundays or Mondays, I'll look at my next week. I kind of have a schedule out. I have a very busy schedule right now, so it's more important than ever that I get done everything that I need to get done. So now I can go in there and I put aside 30 minutes exactly here, you know, an hour here to work on a particular item. So I have complete, uninterrupted time. I'll turn my phone off or just I'll not answer it. No matter what, that phone's not getting answered, and I can actually accomplish everything that I mean to accomplish. So that's. That's cool. That's one of the tips that I think we give in the course. But I don't remember, you have to correct me, but to block out that time for whatever the task is. Right. So does that mean, like, if we're talking tangible things that people can take away from this is. Are you actually putting stuff in the calendar? Yes, it depends. I made that day. Just. I already know what I'm working on this week. You know, for the next two weeks, I'm working on an application. So those time blocks are just going to say work. I already know what I'm working on, but if it's multiple things, then basically what I'll do is I'll put those individual items in there, and sometimes I even have to schedule it down to, you know, this is going to be ten minutes out of my day. That was the scariest part of the whole thing, was realizing how little time you have available to you in a single day, and that was. That was extremely scary. But then once you actually plan out your week and you follow those, that becomes way less scary, because now, yes, maybe I spend an extra 15 minutes scheduling out my week, but I get way more time, you know, with family or I get to go do this on the weekend. I've gained so much more time back in my life to focus on other things. So if for people who want to get started with this kind of process, you're saying that you operate purely through the calendar at the start of the week. You sit there and plan out the whole week. You put things into the different slots and block it out, that kind of thing? Yep. Okay, so even the personal stuff? Yep, even personal stuff. Those are generally just an open time slot. Okay. Right. A specific go do this, go do that. But what would you say to people? And this is just stuff that's coming to mind as I'm listening to you. Right. What would you say to people who, you know, with work and everything, especially in a corporate environment, you get meetings just thrown at you all the time. How do. How would you manage that? Or how do you manage that? I don't have to manage that. I don't have experience with many guys. I know it. That's. I work all by myself, right. I do all of this, so if I need to, somebody wants a new application, I get to schedule that meeting, or. But really when? Now what I run into is being able to say no to somebody when they want something. I didn't have that skill in the past, so sure, you know, I'll not give a proper timeline, none of that. Not go over the product with them. I just figure out the solution and go for it. That's a really valuable, positive consequence of this is that by having everything scheduled in advance, you can look at your calendar and if someone says,

I need you in a meeting at 10:

00 on Thursday, you can just safely say no. Or from a personal perspective, I don't know what book it was, but something I read somewhere called people. Which people are your time thieves? Like time vampires, they always just consume so much of your time. You can safely say to them, no, no, no, I'm fully booked. I got stuff all day on Tuesday, so earliest you can get me is Friday or something like that, between one and three. So I think that's really cool. And it's nice because I think what a lot of people think when it comes to this productivity stuff is I'm going to have to sacrifice something else to make time for something. And while there is always a sacrifice, especially that, that comes more down to your goals. Right. What is your goal? If your goal is to binge watch the new season of what am I watching at the moment? Tulsa King just came out and I'm just started watching that yesterday. But if I want to binge watch that whole season, well, then that's my goal. I'm going to carve out time for it. But at the same point, I'm going to lose out on my development time, pie bytes, time, growth time, writing time. So there's priorities in there. So how do you manage that? Priority management. How do you do that? It can be pretty difficult at times to manage what you should be working on. I guess it depends on everybody's individual reward system. That's something that they've. It comes from many different perspectives, I think, and how I can do mine. But I get my dopamine from completing a thing and I get it from accomplishing a task. And sure, I can get very short term dopamines. I can doom scroll Twitter, you know, better than anyone else I, you know, but I don't feel good after, and I noticed that. And since that's, sorry, sorry, you guys, you go, oh, I was just saying, since I do get, you know, happiness from completing tasks, it just helps. Now that I have those tasks organized and I, I get more done. I get more of everything done, which is great. I really appreciate you saying it that way because you just sparked, and that's why I almost interrupted you and Spoke over the top of you. I apologize. How you feel is so important. That's such a really great insight. Because if you get to the end of a task and you feel fantastic that you spent the time doing it, you're going to do it again. Right? But if you sat there and you got Caught into a, you know, rabbit Hole of Browsing, Reddit or, you know, whatever, right, and you get to the end of that time and you suddenly go, oh, it's been Half an hour, I better get up and pick the Kids up from school, whatever it is that's next on your schedule. But you feel like you wasted that time or that you feel crap about it, or you just don't feel good that you spent that time on that, then that's a nice, well, it takes that self reflection, that self awareness to be able to register that. Right? And pay attention to that. So that's another point for everyone, is pay attention to how you feel as you go through your day and you do things. Certain things will be, will fill your buckets, certain things will drain you. And what are those things? What do you want to do more of? What do you want to do less of? And let that drive that sort of habit as well. So I think that's a really good point that you brought up. Appreciate sharing that. So the next step of this that I wanted to poke you on is habits. Has that played a part in this productivity kind of piece? Really just the habit for me of planning my day or my week out. I don't have option as far as what comes to what habits I'm doing, really, because I'm just go, go, go. I'm just, my schedule is really busy and really just taking the time to take the extra time out of your day to plan. Yeah. That's benefited me among multiple areas. Planning out your personal life, maybe your weekend, or planning out the project that you're building. I love that part. As far as building mind maps, you know, or how a project from start to finish in the meeting, planning it out with the end user, what do you currently do and plan out their actual process, or just planning out your day, that's what I find to be most useful. See, and you know what? That's, it's a, it's a simple concept, but it's actually kind of challenging to do because planning takes effort, it takes time. There's no immediate dopamine hit from doing it, right. I mean, you feel good about doing it, of course, but you didn't actually achieve the goal right. You just planned how you're going to get to the goal. So it's not something that people just gravitate towards doing. They'd rather just tick something off a list or, you know, dive into the work. But the 15 minutes you spend on what, a Sunday night planning out the week or Sunday afternoon, something sets you up for that success during the week. Does that motivation to do the planning just come naturally to you? Or is that something you kind of had to, you know, drill into yourself in just twelve weeks? Pivots elevates you from Python coder to confident developer. Build real world applications, enhance your portfolio, earn a professional certification showcasing tangible skills, and unlock career opportunities you might not even imagine right now. Apply now at Pibit Es PDM. Now it comes naturally after, after starting the planning it because now I don't have anxiety about the things because before it was just a bird's nest up in my brain, like, oh, I know I have to do all of this stuff, you know, what's next? Well, I'm just going to kind of go what feels right and that you just filled with anxiety all of the time in that state. But when you take your time to plan everything out, you kind of just sit back, oh, okay, I know what I have to do next. I know I'm going to accomplish this by, you know, this date and give yourself some leeway to come up with the errors. And now this project I started today, I know I'm going to finish it on time. I know that. So a lot less anxiety. So how do, if that's the case, how do you track the actual actions that you need to take? So if you've planned your week out, right, but then things come up and let's say something mundane around the house, like, I don't know, there's a water pipe leaking and suddenly you have to do things like call insurance and all those kinds of things, right? How do you manage the sudden influx of tasks that come in? Because this is going to happen to lots of people, right? You plan out your week, but then things happen and you kind of have to be flexible, but also you have to try, have a to do list kind of thing of all the tasks that do need to be done, because you'll have ideas as you. As you inevitably progress. You'll be like, oh, I want to do this, I want to do this. I got to do this. People need me for this. How do you manage all of that? You can make a list of stuff as you go throughout the week of these did not get done. Me, when I have. I have specific blocks in my day where I'm not allowed to be distracted, but that doesn't always work. Right? Especially it seems to happen to those particular times where all of a sudden I'm getting hit up on teams or I'm getting phone calls and then emails and then, oh, this is down. Go fix this. Or, hey, you know, can you do this? All of it kind of happens at once during the time that I'm supposed to be focusing the most. And so all you can do is listen those things, try and keep them out of your peripherals during those times. Keep those times sacred to you as much as possible. You know, do not disturb on your phone. You know, schedule it as a meeting for yourself so people see that you're in a meeting before they even reach out to you in the first place. But just keep track of the, say, hey, I did nothing. Get to spend this time focused, and then you just. You have to move it. Take something else out from another day in the future and swap it out. I'm not sure what the proper way to do that is, but that's what I would do is the next day, oh, I'm taking 20 minutes from. From that day. I'm adding, you know, now I have an hour of no. No interruptions. That's cool. Okay. So, yeah, there is that flexibility in there to just, you know, replace, substitute things as priorities change. Right? So I like that. And I think that's a key part because, you know, things will come up with family, with kids, especially with kids, and suddenly, oh, kid, this one's sick at home. So I can't just do this deep work that I wanted, you know? So I think one of the key points here for everyone is you have to be disciplined enough to track what it is that you're doing. You have to know what it is you need to do, what it is you want to do and then be disciplined to actually track it. Are you actually getting it done? And if not, what are those little pieces? Because, as we always say, break things down into little achievable chunks. They're your tasks. And the things that you don't do, move them out, move them onto another day, schedule them into a calendar. Schedule them into your routine to get them done. So there's a lot of little tips here that, you know, combine into actual progress and, you know, outcomes that are goals. So on that note, have you noticed anything change? All this stuff that you just talked about for the past 15 minutes, what's the outcome of that? What does that look like for you now? What's the sudden zen that you've hit? I get. I get to live my days with less anxiety. That's good. That's my favorite out of everything, is I'm not. I don't have this constant voice in the back of my head like, oh, I know that I'm not supposed to be at work right now, and I'm at home on the couch, but I could just open my laptop and go ahead and make sure that I catch up with some stuff. You find yourself not doing all of those extra bits at the beginning or at the end of the day that you should be spending time doing something else besides work because work shouldn't run your entire life. That's the greatest thing. That's one of the biggest changes. So that's anxiety, and that's huge win. I really appreciate that one. Has it enabled you, and I don't want to lead you with this kind of question, but has it enabled you to do other things to. I don't know. As you said, you've sort of found more time in your day. You're disciplined to have more time in your day for other stuff. So what are some of the consequences of being more efficient like this? You get to maybe focus on some other. Maybe some other companies or some opportunities to spend your time on open source projects. You can help other people. I like to hopefully work towards being able to skateboard more, especially before winter comes. I like to schedule out, you know, an hour a day shortly to skateboard at least maybe three days out of the week before winter really hits. Cool, man. I actually didn't know you skateboarded. That's awesome. Yeah, very cool. I like it because, you know, these days especially, and I sound like a broken record, but these days, with. With screens and with devices and always on and people can access you at all hours of the day, you can really feel like there's not enough hours in the day to get stuff done, you know? So this is really. I think this. This gives me hope for a lot of people that I know. It kind of highlights some gaps in my schedule because, you know, the other thing about all of this is that it's about keeping it up because it's insidious. Things creep back in very slowly, and then next thing you know, oh, I'm not reading in the mornings anymore. That time I made for myself, it's not happening anymore. So it is about being disciplined and keeping on top of it. So I really appreciate this. This is a really cool insight. So if we're to talk about PDM, this has enabled you to put time aside to actually focus on coding, actually be building in the program just quickly because we're running out of time. With your time in PDM, what are you building, man? Tell everyone. What are you actually building? We are. I am, I guess building. It's so hard not to involve the coach, my coach Robin, who's just awesome. But we are building a dynamic. I'm building a dynamic database generator. So something that I've noticed in different workplaces is there's all these spreadsheets everywhere that they build just out of necessity, but a lot of them have the same information and talk to each other. So just uploading a spreadsheet and have it build a base database for you. And you can then have object relational mapping towards information back and forth from the spreadsheets that other people have uploaded. So then if you have a similar item, let's say, like this project, you pull up that project, maybe id that appears in all of these other spreadsheets. Oh, and then you can select maybe all of these accounting issues or billing opportunities for that. That's super cool. Just mapping all of this information automatically together is the goal with a lot of customization that hopefully a person will use. Yeah, yeah. No, that's awesome, man. And, you know, thank you for the shout out to Robin, who's one of our crack ace coaches, who I know you two are just smashing it together. So, you know, thank you, Robert, as well, for all your support with Tanner. It's just awesome seeing that back and forth because I get notifications for every single GitHub update, which is my mistake. You should unsubscribe. You should unsubscribe. And of course, my mistake is that those are funneled straight to my to do list app. So 200 tasks for today that I haven't gone through. All right. Anyway, so I think that's an incredible project. You should, once you have the bit working and you're comfortable doing, you should totally, you know, do a recording of how it works and show people. I think those sorts of things are super inspiring, man. Very, very cool. All right, so if. Let's wrap this up, a couple of quick fire tips for people with this productivity thing. Just go one liners. What do you got? If you rattle them off? You need to plan out your week. It doesn't have to be accurate. Plan out your week. As you go through your week, fill it out. What did you actually do versus what you plan to do? Keep adjusting your schedule. It may take a month, but plan everything out. Take the extra time to plan stuff out. Okay. That's your number one tip. Give me one more. Go. Give me another one. Be. Be kind to yourself. I like that. In what context? In every context. You should always be nicer to yourself. That's harder for some than others. I'm not good at that. So learning how to be nice to yourself will help you. I said that to someone else this week. I said, you got to love yourself before you love someone else. And not in an egotistical way. Right. God, he loves himself. Not that kind of thing, but, no, actually, I like that. That was unexpected. I appreciate that one. I think if I'm going to link that to some productivity, I'm going to say be kind to yourself when you slip. When you slip up on your productivity journey. Right. So with this scheduling stuff, things are going to get in the way. You're going to drop the ball, you might get in a zone, and next, you know, it's been 2 hours instead of 1 hour that you've been working on something where you might get stuck in an Instagram hole watching reel after real, and then you're like, oh, crap, I missed out on my window for this. And just be kind to yourself and then just pick back up and try again. I think that's a nice way of doing it because if you just yell at yourself and berate yourself, then you're never going to do it again. So you're never going to get back in the zone, so. All right, well, look, Tanner, that was awesome. I really appreciate you sharing those insights, man, and how it's helped you carve out more time in your day to be present with the family, to switch off from work to work on your PDM project, which sounds incredible, to have time and balance, to be able to fit in some sports during the day, skateboarding, I think it's just incredible, man. It's just the sort of power of being able to have some discipline in your own planning of your life as opposed to just letting everything else dictate how you operate. So that's awesome. Um, anything else you want to add to that before I jump to how people can find you in the book and all that stuff. Nope. That's perfect. I just. Thankfully I found you guys. Hey, you're welcome, buddy. You're welcome. No, I'm. I'm glad. I'm glad you're here. Um, and there's more exciting stuff with you coming, so. Which we might actually talk about another time, which we'll talk about later. That's just a little hint for everyone. What? Don't worry about that. Um, okay, so what are you reading? Um, right now I am almost finished, but I am reading extreme ownership. It's my jock Willnick, uh, ex navy Seal. I don't know if you're ever an ex Navy SeAL, but he just talks about leading teams and different squads, the types of personalities that one comes into contact with and having to navigate those. As far as maybe people with shy personalities leading a SeAL team or, you know, how does that work? You know, how does a guy with a quiet voice lead a SEaL team during a battle? Or what are some of the adversities? Just an interesting book from a person with a different perspective than I have. That's cool, man. I like it. I have his book, discipline equals freedom, which is all about discipline. But I haven't actually finished it. I didn't have the discipline to finish it. I'm going to have to pick that back up and give it a crack. So when do you read during the day? Where do you carve out the time in your calendar to read? It doesn't happen often. I'm not a huge reader. But if. If I do get 15 minutes here or there, maybe in the car or at work, if I'm eating lunch at the desk, I'll actually maybe lock my computer and then maybe read a book and eat some snacks and stuff. Okay. When you say in the car, you don't mean while you're driving, right? No. No. Okay, just check it. Audio. In the future, maybe? Yeah. Yeah. In the future, baby. I don't think I'd ever be comfortable with reading while a car drives me around. No, that's cool, man. I'm happy to hear it. That's really cool. And we'll have a link to the book in the description, of course, for people to check it out. For me, I'm reading, which I'm very kind of nerdy. Excited to share. So I got a game on PC a couple of weeks ago, two weeks ago called, you know, from the Warhammer 40,000 universe space marine two. And it got me thinking about Warhammer and my neighbor, who's a huge Warhammer fan, came over because he was the one who got me to get the game and brought me over a, what's it called? The core book to the game, which is super thick. And apparently, aside, aside from the rules in the back, the first three quarters is just background and history and lore on the universe. I'm like, okay, guess I started reading it. Heck yeah. Yeah. So. But I didn't know there were so many books on this, on Warhammer. Like, as big as Star wars, probably bigger than Star wars and everything. Right. So I think I'll be catching up on this stuff for quite a while, but, yeah, I'm excited for you. That's awesome. Yeah, thanks, man. All right, so for people who want to learn more about you, chat with you, connect with you, you're on LinkedIn, so we'll have a link for that. And you're in the community. So people, come join the piebuys community. You tell it. I'm looking to. Yeah. Anybody go to the pie bytes community. If you're already in the community, reach out. I'm happy to talk about anything work related, work troubles. I'm. I'm good at dealing with that kind of stuff and that. That's hard to bring up sometimes. Yeah. And LinkedIn for sure. Nice. And productivity wise and everything. By all means, hit him up. He'll carve out time in the day to have a chat. So there you go. Anything else you want to share before we jump in? That's all I've got. All right, awesome. Well, Tanner, it was a pleasure chatting. Nice, casual chat about productivity. I hope everyone listening got something out of this, even just one little tip that inspires you to take control of your day and plan your week out. Tana, any final words for everyone? Just want to say bye. Goodbye, good luck. I love it. Yeah, he waved for all of you listening to this. 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